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UK Charity Law Changes

by Paddington Bear in

you may or may not be aware but the charites act 2006 is now in force and it means that from end 2007 charites (including the jw's) will have to proove that they offer public benefit if they are to still retain their charitable status and in turn get gift aid on nearly every single donation and keep their tax exempt status.. the charity law association made some very interesting comments regarding the witnesses in their memorandum that was submitted in evidence to the joint commitee on the draft charites bill.

their comments on the taylorite sect of the exclusive brethren "excluding children from the family home" is also quite relevant.

this is only enidence from an outside body but it shows things could change.. http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt200304/jtselect/jtchar/167/4061625.htm.

Paddington Bear

Betsey:

It is not a "shamless repost"... That was posted in a few months back and I did not see it... As you can see from my posts (12 in over a year) I don't not use this board very much. Beleive me I have neither the desire nor need to plagerise!!

Calm down lad...

There is still consultation to take place on the supplementary guidence for sub-sectors including religion..

S EIGHT:

That was the main consultation on public benefit.. The will still publish further guidence on the subsectors (see 2.7 It says November 07 but it has been delayed untill Jan 08)

email from CC dated 21/01/2008 below...................

Dear Sir or Madam

Charities and Public Benefit

As someone who has requested to be informed of our further consultations on supplementary guidance for specific types of charity, we thought you might also like to be aware of the Charity Commission’s general guidance Charities and Public Benefit which has now been published. Copies of the publication can be found on our website at http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/publicbenefit/default.asp or obtained by contacting Charity Commission Direct.

This published guidance follows our Consultation on Draft Public Benefit Guidance which we conducted last year. We were delighted with the response that we had to the consultation. Nearly a thousand organisations and individuals responded. All responses were carefully considered and have informed the revisions which we made to the guidance. We are very grateful to everyone who contributed to the consultation.

Charities and Public Benefit is especially important for charity trustees. The Charities Act 2006 introduces a new duty for trustees to have regard to the Charity Commission guidance on public benefit. There will also soon be a new duty for trustees to report on their charity’s public benefit in their Trustee Annual Report.

As you are aware, we will shortly begin a series of further consultations on the supplementary guidance on the public benefit for specific types of charity (or 'sub-sectors'). Our first set of sub-sector consultations will be on:

Public Benefit and the Prevention and Relief of Poverty
Public Benefit and the Advancement of Religion
Public Benefit and the Advancement of Education
Public Benefit and Fee-charging

We will notify you regarding each sub-sector that you have expressed an interest in as soon as we are in a position to proceed.

Yours faithfully

Patrick Smidmore

Patrick Smidmore
Public Benefit and Status Policy
+Woodfield House, Taunton, Somerset TA1 4BL
: [email protected]

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UK Charity Law Changes

by Paddington Bear in

you may or may not be aware but the charites act 2006 is now in force and it means that from end 2007 charites (including the jw's) will have to proove that they offer public benefit if they are to still retain their charitable status and in turn get gift aid on nearly every single donation and keep their tax exempt status.. the charity law association made some very interesting comments regarding the witnesses in their memorandum that was submitted in evidence to the joint commitee on the draft charites bill.

their comments on the taylorite sect of the exclusive brethren "excluding children from the family home" is also quite relevant.

this is only enidence from an outside body but it shows things could change.. http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt200304/jtselect/jtchar/167/4061625.htm.

Paddington Bear

A food bank won't help them too much as the benifit has to directly relate to their aims as a charity. Their aims or objects are detailed on their registration with the charites commission:

http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/registeredcharities/showcharity.asp?remchar=&chyno=1077961

"TO ADVANCE THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION AS PRACTISED BY THE BODY OF CHRISTIAN PERSONS KNOWN AS JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES BY: (A) PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF GOD'S KINGDOM UNDER JESUS CHRIST UNTO ALL NATIONS AS A WITNESS TO THE NAME, WORD AND SUPREMACY OF ALMIGHTY GOD, JEHOVAH; (B) PRODUCING AND DISTRIBUTING BIBLES AND OTHER RELIGIOUS LITERATURE IN ANY MEDIUM AND EDUCATING THE PUBLIC IN RESPECT THEREOF; (C) PROMOTING RELIGIOUS WORSHIP; (D) PROMOTING CHRISTIAN MISSIONARY WORK; (E) ADVANCING RELIGIOUS EDUCATION; (F) MAINTAINING ONE OR MORE RELIGIOUS ORDERS OR COMMUNITIES OF SPECIAL MINISTERS OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. "

My understanding is that they will have to demonstrate the above gives public benifit. What will be harder is if the commission feel that their public benefit does not balance against any detriment or harm that they perceive they cause (no choice of blood transfusuins for children, exclusion of non-members, contravening the Data Protection Act (register of disfellowhipped persons at branch) etc....

It should be a pretty tough year for them. Even if they are not struck off now, if enough people complain about them there is a strong possibility they could be in the future.

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UK Charity Law Changes

by Paddington Bear in

you may or may not be aware but the charites act 2006 is now in force and it means that from end 2007 charites (including the jw's) will have to proove that they offer public benefit if they are to still retain their charitable status and in turn get gift aid on nearly every single donation and keep their tax exempt status.. the charity law association made some very interesting comments regarding the witnesses in their memorandum that was submitted in evidence to the joint commitee on the draft charites bill.

their comments on the taylorite sect of the exclusive brethren "excluding children from the family home" is also quite relevant.

this is only enidence from an outside body but it shows things could change.. http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt200304/jtselect/jtchar/167/4061625.htm.

Paddington Bear

You may or may not be aware but the Charites Act 2006 is now in force and it means that from end 2007 charites (including the JW's) will have to proove that they offer public benefit if they are to still retain their charitable status and in turn get gift aid on nearly every single donation and keep their tax exempt status.

The charity law association made some very interesting comments regarding the witnesses in their memorandum that was submitted in evidence to the Joint Commitee on the Draft Charites Bill. Their comments on the Taylorite sect of the Exclusive Brethren "excluding children from the family home" is also quite relevant. This is only enidence from an outside body but it shows things could change.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt200304/jtselect/jtchar/167/4061625.htm

They are about to start consultations regarding what public benefit should mean for different charitable sectors, including religion. They are welcoming interested persons to take part and it would be a good way to get the point accross that certain organisations who's actions fall below what society expects nowadays should not have charitable/ tax excempt status. Whilst they are looking at public benifit they are also looking at what detrimental effect charites have and if these are sufficient they will take away thier charitable status.

If any UK people want to take part the link is

http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/enhancingcharities/pbconsult.asp#2.12

From here you can email your details to take part in the consultation, just make clear you are interested in religious public benefit...

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MP3 Recorders.... The're great...

by Paddington Bear in

i have got some recordings of the judicial comitee hearings that i have been to over the past year.... it shows what a bunch of idiots they all really are.... if you want me to email them to you let me know... .

if you also know of any good software to shorten it tell me as one of them is too large and needs cutting down.....

Paddington Bear

I have got some recordings of the Judicial Comitee hearings that I have been to over the past year.... It shows what a bunch of idiots they all really are.... If you want me to email them to you let me know...
If you also know of any good software to shorten it tell me as one of them is too large and needs cutting down.....

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MP3 Recorders.... The're great...

by Paddington Bear in

i have got some recordings of the judicial comitee hearings that i have been to over the past year.... it shows what a bunch of idiots they all really are.... if you want me to email them to you let me know... .

if you also know of any good software to shorten it tell me as one of them is too large and needs cutting down.....

Paddington Bear

I have got some recordings of the Judicial Comitee hearings that I have been to over the past year.... It shows what a bunch of idiots they all really are.... If you want me to email them to you let me know...
If you also know of any good software to shorten it tell me as one of them is too large and needs cutting down.....

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Fight the Power!!!

by Paddington Bear in

i have been fighting a df'ing for quite a while now using the data protection act (uk law) for some months now with some limited success.

mainly because i do not want to give the bas%a&ds the satisfaction of getting rid of me on their terms and telling my family what they can and can't do (some still jw's).

does anyone have any experience in this or tried a similar tactic with them?

Paddington Bear

I have been fighting a DF'ing for quite a while now using the Data Protection Act (UK Law) for some months now with some limited success. Mainly because I do not want to give the bas%a&ds the satisfaction of getting rid of me on their terms and telling my family what they can and can't do (some still JW's).

Does anyone have any experience in this or tried a similar tactic with them?

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Elders and Judicial Comitees

by Paddington Bear in

what do the elders now keep in the way of records for judicial committees and do they still complete the forms noted in the pay attention to yourselves and the flock where it says using the forms provided by the society, the branch office should be notified of the person's name, the scriptural reason for the disfellowshipping, and the date of the action.

( s-77 and s-79 forms ) and do they still prepare a written summary of the case and should be prepared by the committee and put in a sealed envelope to be placed in the congregation file.

if not does anybody know what happens?

Paddington Bear

Sorry I should have said why I wanted to know... I am trying to avoid a disfellowshipping (Well all that that entails - Them making it hard for friends and family to speak to you) and have a plan. It needs to be in the UK preferably..

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I Didn't put that link there that is weird..

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Paddington Bear

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Elders and Judicial Comitees

by Paddington Bear in

what do the elders now keep in the way of records for judicial committees and do they still complete the forms noted in the pay attention to yourselves and the flock where it says using the forms provided by the society, the branch office should be notified of the person's name, the scriptural reason for the disfellowshipping, and the date of the action.

( s-77 and s-79 forms ) and do they still prepare a written summary of the case and should be prepared by the committee and put in a sealed envelope to be placed in the congregation file.

if not does anybody know what happens?

Paddington Bear

What do the elders now keep in the way of records for judicial committees and do they still complete the forms noted in the “Pay Attention To Yourselves And The Flock” where it says “Using the forms provided by the Society, the branch office should be notified of the person's name, the Scriptural reason for the disfellowshipping, and the date of the action. ( S-77 and S-79 forms )” and do they still “Prepare a written summary of the case and should be prepared by the committee and put in a sealed envelope to be placed in the congregation file“. If not does anybody know what happens?

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Amos 3:7 (Jehovah reveals to his prophets first) + 2007 Year's Text

by yaddayadda in

was speaking to a jw friend the other day (he knows i have 'doubts').

he asked me what i thought of the 2007 year's text.

i said it would be nice if jehovah did intervene soon, but that i felt that the society is wrong to be constantly telling everyone how 'near' the end of the system is, that they have been doing this for over 120 years, and that we should just focus on being good christians without always thinking the end is close all the time.

Paddington Bear

I found these quotes when I was doing some searching... The policy "the Governing Body began to function with six committees, each assigned to care for certain aspects of the worldwide work.....The Writing Committee supervises the preparation and translation of publications in all forms, making sure that everything is in line with the Scriptures." WT95 5/15 p22/23 “Jesus delighted to do the will of his Father and spoke of it as food to him. (Joh 4:32, 34) He foretold that he would appoint “the faithful and discreet slave” to give (spiritual) food at the proper time to his disciples. INSIGHT p845 “We will also increase our joy if we prayerfully and diligently study God’s spirit-inspired Word and Christian publications prepared under the spirit’s guidance.” WT 1992 3/15 p21 “Those forming the Christian congregation are referred to by the apostle Paul as “members of the household of God” (Eph 2:19; 1Ti 3:15), and the same apostle shows that ‘faithful stewardship’ among such household members involved the dispensing of spiritual truths on which those becoming believers would ‘feed.’ "INSIGHT p806 The Contradiction “True, the brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers. (2 Tim. 3:16) And so, at times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views." WT81 2/15 p19 I know the last one is a bit older but it still shows the crap they come out with.... Blood.... 1975, 1974....Voting..!!!